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Google I/O Chrome Follow session 2021-05-19
https://news.indieweb.org/en
Kevin Marks: I'm going to tweet the Chrome RSS session
Shekhar Sharad: when we talked to people, they cared about a lot of different publishers on the web and wanted ot be updated about all the content from them
from the publishers they want to build an audience and keep in touch with them.
we want to bring the follow functionality to the open web using standards in chrome
we want this on open standards such as rss, and make the least amount of work for web publishers, and other readers can take advantage of
we want this to be predictable via rss for which content to include, make follow/unfollow easy and opt out
Janice Wong: as I follow a site the content will appear in a new follow section on the new tab page
there is a cog button to manage your follows and unfollow them
looks at blog whatsericplaying.com and clicks on follow, which redirects to the following tab (shows posts chrononologically)
[what's show are preview pages]
this will appear on Chrome android in USA in the next few weeks, then other countreis later
Nick Krasney: what exactly is RSS? it's been around since 1990s and widely used. webmasters can publish RSS or Atom google will poll feeds for this
No RSS? No problem - we can build a feed from your content too, but it may be slower. Google will poll RSS often
use link rel="alternate" to specify a feed. You can opt out - it will show the follow button but won't generate a feed.
Yes we use WebSub at google to know when a feed is updated
Janice Wong: notifications and feed updates are different options from a site
Nick Krasney: the browser is not fetching RSS feeds, that's done server side
we support RSS and Atom now, we're interested in other feeds too, but tell us more
Janice Wong: q: is it synced between browsers? yes, we will have this in prefs if you're logged in - we are looking at other platforms too
q: overlap with google news app? Not shared between them
Shekhar Sharad: q: follow button embeddable eg navigator.follow? we would love to know more about this
Nick Krasney: we can give some traffic info, but not who follows
Janice Wong: if you follow a lot fo people it may get cluttered -we're looking at making this better
q: inbox folders, read count etc? No- we're not treating it as an inbox but a feed of content
Nick Krasney: if you're a publisher make sure you update your RSS - please try in chrome canary on android and see us
follow us on twitter @WebCreators and discuss there
q: can I create an app that reads google's unified feed? not announced now, but what would be helpful?
Shekhar Sharad: q: can this tab show in Google Discover? we're starting wiht Chrome and work with the open web
Kevin Marks: is this the same mechanism as podcasts in google search?
Janice Wong: we are not building from the same stack that follows podcasts, similar tech but not shared
q: will we get a notification when there's new? not a push, but the follow tab will be lit up
Shekhar Sharad: q: do you have a previewer for publishers to see feed rendering in this? We don't but that is a good suggestion
Nick Krasney: q: I write a feed reader - I'd like to import the users followed feeds from google - can we do that? we don't have that yet, but we're interested in what your dream API would look like
Shekhar Sharad: q: can this not be tied to google's identity system? we want this to be available to all the open web - and we want to stick to that
Janice Wong: if we want to make this for multiple clients we need to work out how to provide that experience as well
Nick Krasney: q: is this connected to feedburner changes? No it's unrelated to that
Janice Wong: to try this, go to play store on android and search for Chrome Canary -it's separate app from chrome to get access to early features. The experiment will be in that in a couple of week
Nick Krasney: q: are you using Web Actions for the follow button? No, but we'll look at that too
we want to build out the next 20 years for RSS on the open web
2021-05-19
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Homebrew Website Club Teesside 2018-08-07
https://news.indieweb.org/en
Kevin Marks: I haven't done much with my own site recently - I still have a hosted notes site at known.kevinmarks.com and haven't taken on moving it to somehting I control
thinking about the problem of link decay - as Tim Berners-Lee said, "eventually every URL ends up as a porn site". http://www.kevinmarks.com/fragmentions.html
even the venerable http://gmpg.org/ has got flaky, though Zegnat has been reconstructing it from archive.org https://zegnat.github.io/html-gmpgdotorg/
@baekdal looked into the link decay problem for his own site and found a lot of missing links, but he also built an interstitial to redirect ot archive.org https://baekdal.com/trends/publishers-need-to-think-about-linkjacking-too/
this suggests that good practice would be to always ping archive.org to stash pages when you link to them. This is something I do at https://mention.tech when sending webmentions - I archive both the links involved too.
But maybe we could do more - store a hash of the page as we saw it, and compare that with what is seen when viewed? Use the original link by default, switch to archive when we know it is bad, or after 3 months?
for the GMPG case, there's an issue here: https://github.com/Zegnat/html-gmpgdotorg/issues/1
trying out owning my own locations - it's really not much code to to do maps these days https://kevinmarks.github.io/maptime/ (inspiration from @AndrewJohnMarks and @ChristophaMarks
2018-08-07
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Homebrew Website Club London 2018-01-24
https://news.indieweb.org/en
Calum Ryan: Welcome to Homebrew website club - my website is https://calumryan.com - I started working on it 5 years ago
the most recent change I have made to it is to use CSS Grid for it, which is more cosmetic
My site supports webmentions, and is hooked up to brid.gy for twitter and facebook replies too. I was the first person to post weather status
I post checkins to my site and syndicate them out
Dave Letorey: I'm Dave - I only just built a personal website at https://letorey.co.uk/ - it has not much design at the moment, but the most important part is the content not the way it looks
as we go into the future wiht screen readers and voice UI how it looks matters less, so rather than worrying about looks I just made a simple grid layout
I don't have any javascript - just simple CSS - the whole point is to learn, and docusmetn what I am doing
Chris Burnell: I'm Chris - I use my website for testing mainly - I went the other way round and obsessed with how it looked
this year is the year of writing content. I am using webmention.io at the moment - I'd like to add a micropub endpoiny
Kevin Marks: my website is kevinmarks.com but I have been experimenting with the Beaker browser and Fritter
so my website is also available at dat://b7930c5e0d55aee8aeb6fa996c8e782e2e9b99b62bf25cab0be7ae195f56a158
in other news, we are celebrating one million webmentions https://snarfed.org/1-million-webmentions - and @calumn_ryan brought cupcakes
More news this week - WebSub (formerly known as PubSubHubbub) is a w3c REC and IndieAuth is a w3c NOTE https://aaronparecki.com/2018/01/23/34/w3c-websub-indieauth
the beaker browser is at https://beakerbrowser.com/ and Fritter is at https://github.com/beakerbrowser/fritter
Calum Ryan: to make your website more indieweb friendly, go to indiewebify.me and try the tools there to see if you have it marked up well
Kevin Marks: @calum_ryan is walking @dletorey and @iamchrisburnell through indiewebify.me -they're signed into the indieweb.org wiki
Calum Ryan: I'm working on https://indiewebguides.org/ which is based on the indieweb.org wiki, but focused on less technical users of the web
Kevin Marks: an editorial on the advantages of #indieweb from @godaddy https://www.godaddy.com/garage/indieweb-facebook-opportunities/
a progressive web app generator that is a PWA itself: https://joreteg.com/blog/pwa-spawns-pwas
2018-01-24
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